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Anyone talk to bullet about this? I would be curious to see what he thinks since he is our leader for the year :)

We have all been talking about rules this year and trying to limit the class and keep it stock. Around the country everyone runs the tcs rules... Never having to vote on a rule change or worry about if a new part is allowed or not would be nice. A set of rules that is run everywhere and we follow them... I dont really see a downside?

We already allowed the change that is going to make the biggest difference (shocks). I do not see anything else in the rules I am concerned about. Personally after seeing the replacement costs for the stock tires I would welcome the tire choices, traction hasnt been an issue but keeping the class cheap is.

Following the TCS rules is still spec racing in my eyes (2s lipo same motor). In 1 month we already have what 15 mini coopers in the state racing? maybe more... I have heard many say if I didnt have to buy that body or why cant I do this... Why not let the class grow to its full potential? We will still have the close fun racing we have had following the TCS rules.


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With the new TCS rules out for Mini, #1016 premount, tires and how to build them correctly will no longer be an issue.

I don't know what your guys thoughts on bodies are, from my experience here though, everyone likes something different. The Rover's, short , tend to have more steering and are "tippey". The swifts, med-long, are more stable and push some what.

3Racing makes an affordable oil filled shock and comes with up travel limiters just like the Tamiya version does.

We were just given a TCS race by Tamiya USA, so it would be cool to see some of you guys come down in March, before we make the trip up for the WoW show again.
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wild bill replogle wrote:Here's a link to the shocks. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXGL65&P=7


I think the lower ride height without the hopity hop is worth it but not absolutely necessary.
You can eliminate the bouncy bouncy with the friction shocks by using an ultra sticky synthetic/silicone grease on the plunger and friction body. It doesn't take much and is good for 5-6 runs. It works similar to a damper tube in 1/12's. I wouldn't use wheel bearing grease but a 200k-500k diff lube if you have it.
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Is this what your talking about? I pulled this off of the TCS site.

Mini Rules
The Mini’s are for everyone wanting to race close and have fun doing it! This class is ideal for
any intermediate racing hobbyist wanting to keep racing simple and fun. It is very
competitive, but without the pressure!
1. Legal chassis platforms: M03, M05 and M06 chassis cars that use the 60D size tire
or smaller.
2. Current TAMIYA Mini bodies available for the M03, M05 and M06 are legal.
3. FWD minis must use FWD body types. RWD minis must use RWD body types.
4. New for 2011: Spec Tires, item 1016 Pre-Mounted Radial Tires 60D Super-Grip
(4pcs) must be used for all regional races. The rim color used on the Spec tire is
unique to the pre-mount. The style rim used is the Suzuki swift spoke.
5. Motor Rules: Tamiya 540-J motor (item 53689)
6. Motor RPM Limits will be imposed at all TCS Regional races. Limits TBD
7. Tamiya internal gears only. Aftermarket idler and spur gears are not legal.
8. Battery rules: Any Legal TCS battery. See general rules above. Note: LIPO battery
packs used in the Mini class must be a rounded profile, hard case, stick pack
configuration.
9. All M-chassis cars must meet a minimum weight of 1250 grams.
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Yea thats it... The only thing I dont like about it is they allow the M06... It would have been nice to keep everything front wheel drive.
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gguertin145 wrote:Yea thats it... The only thing I dont like about it is they allow the M06... It would have been nice to keep everything front wheel drive.

And any length chassis, pro chassis and all tamiya hop ups. I got into this class to stay cheap and simple and I know there has been quite a few people who have expressed to stop after shocks. I think it should be vote between owners of the cars and if we go TCS rules I'm out... sorry. I haven't been running mod 1/12 to participate in this class and would drop coop to run mod again. I am open to allowing these rules at WOW but this is Just my opinion.
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Definitely need to talk on Sunday and vote, no one should feel they didn't have a say.

It would be hard to allow it for one race and then say the rest of the year you can't run the chassis/body you want?

After running them Billy do you really see any of the hopops beyond shocks making much difference? I don't think I would be upgrading anything else even if we allowed the rules? Still cheap and I still won't work on the car between runs... Just think about it till Sunday it's more important the local guys have fun with it.
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I vote for oil shocks, bearings, and swb bodies.. That's it.

Otherwise I can't afford to race.
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pit bitch wrote:I vote for oil shocks, bearings, and swb bodies.. That's it.

Otherwise I can't afford to race.
You are looking into this too much chad...
1. Just because something is allowed doesnt mean you have to buy it
2. Just because its an "upgrade" doesnt mean the laptimes will translate on the track

How many close races have we had? Even menor and billy were close last thursday and menor was using oil filled shocks... With these cars the main thing that matters is driving clean.

Lets talk sunday guys... If the vote is even 60/40 I dont want to do it because the important part is our local club I just think we are making a big deal out of something that is really considered the standard.
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Guys,

The available "hop-ups" really do nothing for performance and are more of a durability thing. The M05 has a couple of "weak" points in it's stock plastic parts, the steering rack being number one. The few aluminum "bling" parts in the pro kits really aren't needed and I advise customers to go with a standard kit, up grade the steering and shocks add a motor heatsink and call it a day.

The M03's are a completely different animal and are actually a little more susceptible to certain things and need a lot more TLC than the 05.

Your club has to decide what is best for your members in the long run. I do know that if you follow TCS rules for the WoW race, there would be at least 6 more cars from down here making the trip. Now if VTA was USVTA rules :D

Just my mini $.02
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I enjoy racing mine out of the box 8)
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don't be a pooper get a cooper!
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If the part is more durable then it performs better.

Perception is key.. Keep adding parts and the perception is thy are required. While we may see some minor requirements of parts to open up there has been little breakage and some cost effective fun racing.

I know with the class remaining simple
It is gaining momentum down here...
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I dont think we will be going with the TCS rules, We are only trying to build a simple cheap spec. class for the Twin Ports local club sene.
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