joezjr wrote:So do you guys know how close the 2 versions of vta are? I do. Fast laps are with in a tenth. Another thing, if you can't put an extra one time small cost to put your car up to the rules you need to find a new hobby. Maybe weed and Frisbee golf. Another thing, the d3.5 is over. Running the d3.5 is the same equivalent of banging an ex girlfriend. Sure it's fun and convenient and it might currently be the best thing out there but you need to move on or you'll just continue to hurt yourself and your future.
Well at least there is some humor on here, thanks Joe.
The d3.5 Is now illegal per ROAR. Do we follow suit this winter by banning the d3.5? I'm guessing yes. Our "sister" tracks are doing this, only makes sense to do the same. Now I said banning the d3.5, not getting rid of the 17.5 1s vta class. This is where Menor's statement of chasing the hot motor comes into play. Do you want to buy the fast 17.5 in October then come December one faster comes out, of course all roar legal. Some of you may have a roar legal 17.5 to replace the d3.5, some may not.
So where do go from here? Do we keep the 17.5 1s class and everyone runs a roar legal motor, or do we go to the 25.5 2s class, or run both classes? To my understanding most 17.5 vta's should be able to run the 25.5 class with their current speed controller. Most if not all of us have 2 cell packs. So the only investment would be the motor, which you may have to buy if you want to run 17.5 vta class anyways.
Myself I plan on running 25.5. It would be similar to the slash spec class, the racing should be very close.
One final thought, as John stated let's keep this civil. We're all friends here, settle it on the track
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The 25.5 class sounds fine, The problem is speed controll's and batteries. This isnt argument its FACT Menor. You want an open speedo and Bat, its not USVTA. Its another 1 off class, Made for 1 track. If thats what the Members of the track want, Great. Its not promoting travelers though.
Maybe I was misinformed, but was told basically any speedo that can be out into blinky mode can be used. I'm not sure what everyone is running for batteries, I know most of my packs are under 5000mah limit.
Thats why USVTA has the list they do Josh, The Amp delivery is grossly different from high $$ speedos than the ones they allow. Even on Blinky(I called Hobbywing and asked) (I dont know what Im talking about though, just talk to talk
Entertaining! Better than 2 Eskimos in Cleveland with a yellow Camaro!
Not that my opinion matters but from another track owner switching to USVTA would be the best for the present and future of VTA racing.
I retired a couple of ex wives for the same reason. I should have hung them on the garage wall next to my old ugly bodies!
Seriously I'm for 25.5. I want to run what most other clubs are running. I'd like to hit some of the bigger races this winter. If guys still want to run 17.5 let them have at it. But the d3.5 has to go. 17.5 is only run here and mmr which makes it an island class. If we allow the d3.5 that island gets smaller because mmr followed roar and ruled them illegal. I'm stuck with two of them and would still vote them out if I was running 17.5 next year. (Maybe ill put them in my Midnight Pumkin and Lunch Box and use them to round my chickens up).
The guys that want to run 25.5 (sounds like there are plenty to have a class) need to discuss the speedo and battery rule. Most other clubs are running open speedo in blinkey and any 2s battery.
If that's the route we go I'm good with it. If there is a big race (i.e. Prarie Nights) that is following the us vta rules on the speedo I will conform for that race.
The only thing I'm concerned about is splitting the herd between our 17.5 guys and 25.5 guys.
NickLavato wrote:Thats why USVTA has the list they do Josh, The Amp delivery is grossly different from high $$ speedos than the ones they allow. Even on Blinky(I called Hobbywing and asked) (I dont know what Im talking about though, just talk to talk
You are correct about a high amp speed control delivering more power than a lower amp speed control, but this is only helpful when the motor is big enough to draw the amps from the speed control. A 25.5 doesn't draw enough amps for it to be any kind of an advantage having a high amp speedo.
The official USVTA speed control list is not about amp ratings it's all about timing advance. The speed controls on the list cannot have their timing advanced in any way.
Greg Menor
"All the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools!"
Bingo. You didnt insult me or anything and a point was made! Bravo The other purpose for the USVTA list is budget, Hobbywing was very clear stating "budget friendly." In all seriousness the whole debate here is do we as a CLUB want to create another 1 of a kind class. If we say open Speedo and Bat, thats what were doing. Does that promote "travelers" as you say were after, thats TBD.
