Clutch Springs, Shoes, ...

Post by **pp69** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:34 pm

My E bay queen went threw clutch bearings last night and it was awsome seeing sparks come from under the body. Was in a good race in forth looking for third and did not want to stop but the clutch did. Now I have to repair the damage!!

The bearings are bad of coarse, the shoes not to bad.

I have no manual for parts on this car. What is the best shoe for a guy that likes control over how much power he can lay down and of coarse the longest life. You know how much I like working on my stuff, almost as much as Tice.

Gary

Post by **Tice** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:22 pm

I have some aluminum clutch shoes when used with stock springs offer smooth power... If you want to control the power go with stock. GS-ST004 = CLUTCH SHOES, GS-ST003=CLUTCH SPRINGS. I still have a manual should you want a copy.
And that's very true...........I hate working on my stuff!!!!!! Love to drive, but leave the wrenching to someone else.......

Post by **Hammer** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:09 pm

I have had the best luck with carbon shoes, But bearings are another story I only get about 5-7 minutes in my unlimited and about 3-5 minutes on the 3 shoe carbon setup, I went with a Fioroni turbo sliding clutch and that one made it a whopping 2 state races!!

That RB .28 is waaayyy too much power for todays technology!! I think I will be downsizing next year to something smaller that I will not have to be wrenching on more than I am driving.........

Post by **pp69** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:36 pm

Pipe also came loose and layed against the fuel tank, so off to Carrs and they had the tank.

Gary

Post by **BSchorr** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:29 pm

Got to admit, that RB .28 was balistic when she was tuned

Post by **Chris A.** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:20 pm

We should start planning a trip down for some nitro racing. Who's with me?

Post by **BSchorr** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:51 pm

Ill ride with chris to race some nitro at TCHR, guess i gotta get my Losi AD2 early then huh?

Post by **Tice** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:39 pm

When ya going Hollywood? Any more air time and you'll be replacing Tony Danza............

Would there be any charge to ride with a star?...

Post by **Hammer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:40 am

Got an email from Jeff telling me about Josh's Unlimited.

Sounds like he has that thing hooked up and so fast that he will probably be a contender this year in Vegas!!

Hopefully he will go easy on the rest of us "little" people back home! LOL LOL !!!

Post by **Chris A.** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:16 am

My car will not be ready for the one in Dec. The Jan. race for sure.

Post by **Hammer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:44 am

Back on topic:

Has onyone heard or read about the new clutch for 1/8 yet? Do not remember the name of it but it was a 4 shoe that looked like an on-road clutch that is adjustable with a nut on the end of the shaft I saw it in a magazine and cannot find it now that I am back in the states and in front of a computer.

I have always heard that they were not very reliable when subjected to the dust and dirt of off-road but they must have redesigned them now to work....

Post by **BSchorr** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:51 pm

There must be a reason why you are going through clutches, prolly arnt doing something right!!

Post by **Hammer** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:57 pm

Spoken like the true inexperienced!! Even if I was doing it wrong I would have inadvertantly got it right once by mistake. I don't think you realize the power of the RB .28!!

Seems odd that I can get three other clutches right and have them hold through the season and with the .28 I could only get it to last for up to 5 min!!

Obviously the common denominator is the .28, I was able to not burn up shoes after switching to a vented clutch bell but still had the obnoxious chassis twist that would pull the bell away from the spur to the point that it would spin the teeth off the clutch.

More power is not always better!!

Post by **Jeff Ford** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:50 pm

There are numerous companies making adjustable off-road clutches. Fioroni, Werks, RMV and a new one being distributed Orion to name a few. All are 4 shoe except the Orion.

We have been trying out the Fiorni since Oct 1st, and so far we love it, holding up real well and great bottom end in 1/8th. We still run the Fioroni Turbo Sliding Clutch in th eother 1/8th and the UMT. Can go 6 gallons on a set of shoes with a RB .21 in the 1/8th and UMT.

The new clutch that Orion is distributing is a 6 shoe adjustable, hopr to have my hands on it middle of December.

Dan, I would work on eleminating the chassis flex from spur gear to clutch bell area, flex there will always heat up the bearings as it can cause binding. Pipe combo and clutch set up are critical in 1/8th Buggy and UMT.

Post by **wildman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:28 am

I know i'm waaaaaay late with this post, but thought maybe I could help you out with clutching.
Alum shoes give you a softer bottom end
Carbon shoes give you a harder hit on the bottom and pull all the way through.
So if this setup is to hard off the bottom, keep adding alum shoes until it feels like you want.
Myself along with many top drivers from teams other than Kyosho are running the Kyosho clutch set up.

Kyosho flywheel, nut, clutchbell, bearings, springs, shoes and washers.
1.0 springs, 1- alum shoe, two- carbon shoes.
ALL Kyosho for these reasons.
1- by running one alum shoe, this keeps glazing in the bell down
2- by running two carbon shoes you get a stronger bottom pull as well as reducing heat in the clutch.
3- Kyosho alum and carbon shoes weight the same.
4- Kyosho kit bearings last a very long time, if you take care of them.

I mix 70% ronsonal lighter fluid and 30% marvel mystery oil together. This is best combo for bearings that I have found for any type of bearing. Clean every three to four runs. Clean before your main!
I only replace my clutch bearings once a year, as long as you keep them cleaned and oiled. Also keep the clutch bell clean with an scotch brite pad.

Drake was running this setup for the past two years along with many others.
Any ? post away!
Brian B.